Jai Gurudev! Shri Guru Ravidass Maharaj Ki Jai! Gali Gali Se Ayi Awaaz, Jai Ravidass, Jai Ravidass!

Tradegy of Vienna

Since the tragic events enfolded in Vienna the response of the Sikhs has been all too predictable if not unfortunate. On BBC Asian Network you had Dr Jas Rai, a prominent Sikh activist making the absurd claim ‘that there were no castes in Sikhism.’ Furthermore if you surf the countless Sikh sites and forums the underlying theme seems to be;
Many Sikhs feel offended that the incident has been misreported by the media as Sikh caste conflict, basically because in there words ‘Sikhs don’t do caste’, and more to the point the Ravidassis are not proper Sikhs anyway;
They seem to be of the opinion but provide no proof that the Sant disrespected the GGS.
On cursory examination the above statements are predictable but erroneous to say the least. Firstly no one has seen fit to condemn the cowardly attack carried out in front of women and children and also in the presence of their holy book. Is it right to kill in front of the holy book? So if anyone is guilty of disrespecting the GGS with their actions it is the so called Sikh attackers who murdered in the name of Sikhism. Yet the silence from the Sikh community is almost deafening.

As to regards the claims the Sants disrespected the GGS by allegedly allowing people to touch their feet in the presence of Maharaj ki beed this is a convenient smoke screen and utter fabrication. But if such actions are so deemed inflammatory and go against Sikhi marayada and therefore offensive, why doesn’t the same rule of thumb apply to the countless Sikh Sants? Take Baba Balwant Singh of Sarohay for example?
http://www.chamars.net/en/multimedia/viewvideo/34/video-debate/——1

Currently there is a video of him on YouTube where his followers including Simarjeet Singh Maan, the leader of Akali Dal Maan faction, prostrating to him in the presence of Maharaj di beed, yet nothing is said nor any action taken against him. A case of double standards to say the least, this only goes to reinforce my point earlier that it is merely a pretext to stop Ravidassi assertion of equal rights.

Ironically on the recent protest march in London on 14th June, there was a counter presence of 8 so called Sikhs who tried to distribute leaflets saying that ‘Sikhs have no caste’, and ‘respect our GGS’. According to their website blogs they allege they were manhandled and abused. Yet there is no Police report to back their claims. Anyone who refutes this is most welcomed to contact the police themselves and seek clarification. This begs the question why would anyone want to blatantly lie, what is there agenda? The irony is they profess truth to others but are incapable of speaking it themselves!

As to there claims the Sikhs don’t do caste the proof is irrefutable; all gurdwaras are run along caste lines; villages in Punjab are segregated by caste, Sikh marriages are conducted purely along caste lines with several gurdwaras (Graham St, Soho Rd to name but a few) refusing to conduct weddings if the bride and groom do not have the names Singh and kaur. Too many Sikhs like Dr Jas Rai are therefore in denial. Because to acknowledge caste in Sikhism, (which in itself is a contradiction), requires not only conviction of faith but courage to challenge the status quo.

Sikhism as a faith is becoming more and more intolerant and fanatical. Of late a hukam Nama was issued by SPGC and endorsed by the High Court that stipulated a Sikh is someone who has unshorn hair. Anyone who cuts, trims or even plucks their eyebrows is therefore by definition not a Sikh. How the Ramghararia community will react to this is anyone’s guess.

For the record if the Ravidassias aren’t Sikh then neither is Guru Ravidas and the other Bhagats. Remember the Gurus incorporated their hymns in the Ad Granth to give it prominence. In contrast to the Brhamanical scriptures the Ad Granth was rightly portrayed as being accessible to all. Now the Sikhs have gone full circle and are emulating the Brahmins of yesteryear. Without the writings of the Bhagats the scriptures are incomplete and that is an indisputable fact I challenge anyone to disapprove.

The Gurus taught tolerance and equality for all, culminating in the creation of the Khalsa. It’s rallying call and primary tenet was ‘har manas ki ek jhaat pechanabu.’ Too bad that it has been forgotten by those who claim to be true Sikhs; they today have a choice to stand up and reclaim SIkhi from the pseudo fascists. If they don’t then they shouldn’t be surprised when more and more people turn there backs on the faith.

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16 responses

  1. RZF

    JAI SANTA DI

    March 16, 2010 at 9:32 am

  2. Chek it out

    Check out forum at http://www.cha-mars.com

    April 5, 2010 at 9:17 am

  3. Anonymous

    Vienna tragedy? I have never heard a Chamar talk about partition of Punjab, operation blue star,operation Woodrow, the massacre of Sikhs in Delhi or the state sponserd terrorism in Punjab…one panhandling dies and Chamar chamalgeh…..no matter how hard you try you will always be chamars all you had to do was take Amrit and follow Sikhi but no you had to be the scumbags you are

    August 22, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    • Anonymous

      Anonymous, Vienna tragedy was a real tragedy while problems in Punjab were created by sikhs themselves. You people create trouble for others and when others hit back, you cry of ghallugharas. This is what has been happening with you guys forever in history. You deserve the shit you get. We have no sympathy for sikh terrorists killed during operation bluestar. You spread terrorism not the state. Every ruler of the time had problems with you because you were always troublemakers and that’s why you always got chittar and you still get chittar.

      We don’t want any useless Amrit or other nonsense. You keep drinking that. Chamars are lot more brave and better than you sikhs. Unarmed chamars caught all the sikh terrorists in Vienna when they came for attack while all your knife wearing sikhs hid in closets like rats when one gora came and attacked your gurudwara. Sawa lakh sae ek laraun is all nonsense. It is more like sawa lakh of you people are not good enough for one chamar even. Cowards.

      September 6, 2012 at 7:27 am

  4. Anonymous

    You can say we cry of Ghallugharas…..the Khalsa always fights o the death….but Your turn will come…you will see what he Bahmans will do to you……remember this comment when your family is being slaughtered by the Hindutva govt. Ramanand bought it on himself. Oak creek was a real tradegy….the sangat might hide in fear when a neo nazi comes in all guns blazing, but at least we don’t live like rats in the chamarlee! You may have got chamaaled by Miss Pooja and a few songs but mark m words your time will come and Mayawati ain’t gonna save your black ass!!!!

    September 13, 2012 at 9:00 pm

  5. Anonymous

    Lmao chamars are brave and better hahahahahahahahaha #do me a favour and go fuck yourself

    September 13, 2012 at 9:01 pm

  6. Anonymous

    XXX.VIEDO

    October 17, 2012 at 9:09 am

  7. jt

    The khalsa was created to stand above, as a group of elite people based on character – king/queen philosophers – it relates to those group of people who have been and are independent of. Semetic and hindoo perspectives (but related somewhat). Note the idea of the Value of character, not. Money, status or other measures.

    If you think that sounds like you, give it a shot!
    Oh, and dont just change your appearance and name to pretend

    November 17, 2012 at 11:03 am

    • AM, you seem like a reasonable pesorn. Question for you: Do you think, for the most part,that conseravatives and Christians hate other peopple because they are different or have different views? Because I could actually take this statement:”To those who will not be pandered to, your idealism is nothing more than a disguise for your hatred.”And say right back at ya.You could if you were being disengenious and your starting point were that Christians and conservatives hate other people because they hold views different from leftists. But of course that would be innacurate to say the least. When if you look even superficially its those on the left who practice hate on any who do not agree with the group meme, eerily similar to Islam, any who go against the mandated current screed and religious law are subjected to hate filled rhetoric, name calling rants and violence attempting to bully those who do not agree. Straying from Islam or doing anything not Imam approved results in atrocities and death, leftism doesn’t yet, so I am not making that parallel just comparing the memes and beliefs. But look at what you call a Black man who is not leftist, look at how you treat him. Imagine going through life thinking that the only reason people see things differently and disagree with you is because you are right and they hate you. Sounds infantile doesn’t it? So much so that it is impossible to have a discussion with extreme leftists as any divergence or questions on theory are always disguised or shunted away with name calling and the theme we are talking about, claiming they only have a different view because they hate. All the while not noticing your view is really one of hate that is intolerant to the ideas of others. Intolerance despite evidence and real world results, because it doesn’t fit the meme. Let’s use the recent chick-fil-a media maelstrom as an example. Who would you say acted with hate, intolerance towards others having a different view? Who was demanding that their view be accepted or else there would be repercussions? Who were the ones verbally attacking, calling names, denigrating those with different views? Who literally sought to damage someone who did not accept their view. Who was so filled with hate that it made them delusional and not realize that there would only be one outcome?What makes someone think that everyone must agree and think like they do or else they will pay the price and THEY are the hateful ones? What makes someone else think that of all things pesornal sexual preferences must not only be advertised but completely approved by others—or else. No one was discriminated against, no one lost any freedoms, was insulted, treated any differently yet that wasn’t enough. Someone had the audacity to say they did not agree with same sex marriage and this made them the ones who hate and therefore subject to any means no matter how depraved and hateful in retribution to force them into outward acceptance and at minimum censure of their speech. So who are the hateful ones infringing on and hating others? Leftists hate the world around them and want to change it, the people in it most particularly. Conservatives just want to be left alone to make their own decisions and follow their own values. Christians love everyone and if an act falls against their beleifs they hate the sin, not the sinner.Yet you state with conviction that Christians and conservatives are the hateful ones.

      March 14, 2013 at 3:11 am

  8. Anonymous

    What happened in Vienna is a tragic reminder of the radical elements in every religion who interpret things in the wrong way or take it to extremes. But am I the only one who is missing the point here? I have yet to see this website or any other pro-suchkand ballan website and especially KanshiTV address why this incident happened. I’ll tell you why

    THE FORBIDDEN ACTIVITY OF BOWING YOUR HEAD BEFORE ANOTHER ENTITY BE IT THE GGSJ OR THE AMRITBANI

    And the alarming thing is suchkand ballan are now doing this with the Amritbani. Have they not learned anything from Vienna. Respect is due if not to the GGSJ then at least to the Amritbaini. This single issue is dividing the Ravidasia community. SuchKand ballan need to put the money machine on hold and address this before its too late.

    It has reached a point now that most diciples of Suchkand ballan believe that if you don’t follow this dera then you are not a fully fledged Ravidasia.

    Well all I’ve got to say is you are the minority in the community as most don’t follow your dera and you have been EXPOSED!

    January 30, 2013 at 8:25 am

    • Mememe

      Check out you tube you hairy little bastard. Your sant bhinderwale is accepting someone bowing his head in front of ggs.

      If you can’t find it I’ll post a link for you

      March 4, 2013 at 3:51 pm

      • Anonymous

        And look what happened to him – murdered just like Ramanand LOL

        March 5, 2013 at 4:09 am

  9. Anonymous

    True teaching of Guru Ravidass, Nanak and Kabir

    1. Never covet anything, either of body or wealth: take not of another. God is the giver of all things, as your trust is in Him so shall you receive.

    2. When asked what you are, declare thyself a Sadh, speak not of caste, nor engage in controversy, hold your faith, put not your hope in men.

    3. Never eat nor drink intoxicating substances, nor chew pan, nor smell perfume, nor smoke tobacoo, nor chew nor smell opium, hold not up your hands, bow not your head in the presence of idols or of men.

    How many of these do do actually follow?

    April 14, 2013 at 4:07 am

  10. Anonymous

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_Light_Infantry

    June 12, 2013 at 11:56 pm

  11. Anonymous

    Uniting the community? First unite your bogus dera

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-07-09/india/40468573_1_dera-head-sant-surinder-dass-bawa-dera-ballan

    The root of all evil is money and greed!

    July 10, 2013 at 2:05 am

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