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myself is Er.Harjinder pal working as H.O.D. Q.C. at jalandhar. i feel we should take help of indian costitution in order to install the “Amrit Bani” in our gurudwara. we should file writ in the supreme court to achieve our mission. because every indian has right to join any religion or leave. 9464014730
August 15, 2010 at 1:33 am
Mr pal you talking a lot bull shit wake up we are not slave of ballan sadh
January 4, 2014 at 9:46 pm
ki gal tenu jo b hega tu fudi dya
je koi kuch sai karn janda he taan tere varge us nu faarrr lende
kamine saale
January 16, 2016 at 3:23 am
Right Sir
December 9, 2015 at 9:14 am
You can join and leave any gurudwara. Par gurudwara sikha da dharmik sathan hai. Te tusi gurudware ch guru granth sahib to binna hor koi granth nhi rakh skde.. apna koi dharmik sathan bnnalo te kuch v naam rakho te apna granth rakho..
September 23, 2017 at 11:52 am
I agree Honey S Deol. Only Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Gurdwara. Harjinder make your own place of worship and keep your own Amritbani their. Constitution does not allow you to disrespect any religion and to sabotage any place of worship to install your own Granth.
Harjinder you are causing is trouble and only a minority of people follow your amritbani so please don’t disrespect Guru Granth Sahib Ji. If you don’t follow GGSJ this then leave Gurdwara and make your own place of worship.
Harjinder working as a QC or whatever does not make you a bigger man, so don’t think you have the authority to remove GGSJ from any gurdwara. Just the idea of you thinking like this shows how ignorant, disgusting and disrespectful you are.
September 23, 2017 at 10:29 pm
Troll
July 3, 2020 at 12:54 pm
incomming calls not allowed in your mobile contact ? Er Harjinder pal
September 12, 2019 at 5:58 am
I AM VERY HAAPY TO SEE DERA SACHKAND BALLAN.S ALL PAROGREMS,RUHANE,HOSPATELTY,EADUCATIONAL,
June 28, 2011 at 11:51 pm
JAI SANT SIROMANI GURU RAVIDAS JI MAHARAJ JI.
I AM KARAMJEET SINGH BHORIA , FROM KARNAL (HARYANA). I BELONG TO HINDU RELIGION. I HEARTLY DEVOTEE OF GURU RAVIDAS JI, BECAUSE I AM ALSO PART OF THIS PROSPERIOUS CHAMAR CAST WHICH BLESSD BY GURU RAVIDAS JI & ALL GURU .
December 28, 2011 at 9:19 pm
If you are chamar, you can never be a hindu. You people are not a part of society as per Hindu religion law . Go fuck your ballan baba ass
January 4, 2017 at 6:23 pm
I AM PROUD TO BE A CHAMAR, BUT NOT A HINDU.
August 7, 2018 at 7:25 pm
Many Chamars from the Punjab, if we go by caste are are Sikhs. And many see themselves as Hindu. There are plenty of Jatts who see themselves as hindus outside Punjab. Go to Rajastan, Haryana, Himchal Pradesh even many Jatts still see themelves as Hindus. Those who contributes to this website are also from outside Punjab, where there is no trace of Sikhism. If they say that that they are Hindus nothing wrong with that. Some Punjabi jatts are so ignorant and stupid to know that. They cannot stand the fact that chamars can be of other religions too such as Christianity, Buddhism, or even Islam. being a Ravidassia is no different.- a religious right to practice whatever. Little do they know that there are a lot of Jatts in Pakistan are Muslims who were too timid and accepted Islam at the point of sword when the Muslim rulers swept through Punjab. So what is going on with some trolls like this ‘singh’/ anonymous guy who keeps sticking his head out attacking anybody who thinks differently. He is making himself look stupid and ignorant seems to think that he has the higher moral ground. On the contrary he displays racism to the core . He is no different from the Jatts I have known. Jatts are racists who have hijacked Sikhism for financial gain. Every Sikh should know that and despise Jatts. Jatts also know they are racists. Meet a Jatt and first thing he wants to know your caste. Guru Govind said, ‘True Sikh is one who eliminate caste, do not accept him as Sikh if he perpetuates caste’.By that definition Jatts are not true Sikhs. Anybody who denies this is undoing the works of the Sikh Guru. Many jatts a but not all perpetuate the caste system in Punjab and among Punjabi’s. Sikhism was created for the low castes. This also means Jatts as peasant farmers as shudras.. Jatts were not landlords they like to portray themselves as, because they did not have the right to own land but only leased plots of land from the Rajputs and tilled it as a shared crop. They often borrowed heavily against future harvests and were perpetually in debt. That is a fact. Its only after the British and Raja Ranjit Singh awarded them plots of land for their service in the military that SOME came to own land. Other Jatts still til other peoples land. Many who did own land have sold off and gone into other fields other than farming or gone abroad. But they still reminisce about the good old days and listen to Jatt songs about jatt this and jatt that.We as chamars from the UK have shared crop agreement with the jatts as my family are all well settled in UK, Canada and USA and the jatts plough our plots of land. The tables have turned and hence the resentment from them.
July 3, 2020 at 2:04 pm
You are NOT a Hindu, you don’t even know your identity. In the Hindu caste system you are worse than shit. If it was not for all the Sikh gurus you would have no identity. You are Sikhs. Dera Ballan is foiling all you lot to believe you are Hindu/Ravidassi. Least learn the truth ..
September 24, 2017 at 2:05 am
This ‘Mr Singh’ is a troll
April 1, 2020 at 8:50 am
It’s a complete waste of time arguing or debating amritbani followers. Your interpretation of Bhagat Ravidas Ji bani is different to our Sikh interpretation. You ravidassia/amritbani community practice casteism like your Hindu masters. If Bhagat ji was here he would be disgraced how you people divide communities, practice idol worshipping and Hindu rituals, you do t have copyrights to Bhagat Ji, you practice things Bhagat Ji was against. Glad most of this community are Sikhs and only follow Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj.
April 1, 2020 at 12:24 pm
Why do you spend so much energy and time emphasising the same point against them. Whilst I feel your sentiments, I do not share your methodology. You do not understand that it is not the religious difference between the Amritnbani and Guru Grant Sahib that is at issue here. The wider social issue about caste is some thing that permeates even your community. The caste issue was something the Gurus tried to do away with but even they could not. This is something that will only be eradicated when intermarriages between castes start happening on a massive scale. The death of the Sant at Vienna was seen as an opportunity to strike the hammer when the metal was hot.The whole thing was a political to divide the community.
The community was already divided to point. If you look at sociologically, you will see what is going on. We all know what is going on.I think you can you have a role to play within the mainstream Sikh community. It will be easier for to convince the Ravidassia community about your mission if your can bring all the diiferent sikh Gurudwaras based on caste to do away with caste. Now that should be an easy task for you . If you succeed i will join with you and we will start a movement together in the Ravidassia community.
July 3, 2020 at 2:43 pm
Jai Guru Ravidas Ji Mharaj Ki,
Aap sbhi ko Guru Ravidass Ji k Janam Divas ki lakh-lakh bdhaie….. I all of us try to be united for the comunity purpose…..
Sant Siromani Guru Ravidass Ji ko Sat-Sat Naman .
Karamjeet Singh Bhoria KARNAL (Haryana)
February 2, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I respect all religions but people are talking about replacing the Sri Guru Ganth Sahib Ji with the Amritbani in our Gurdwaras in the UK. I am against it being forced upon us. It should only be installed in new deras.
May 15, 2012 at 2:42 am
i am very surprised to read of your comments on against your comments of Shri Guru Ravi Dass ji, Amritbani. I feel that you are not real fellow or son of Shri Guru Ravi Dass ji. Your intention show that you are working for others not for community. I also respect all religions but Amritbani of Shri Guru Ravidassji Maharaj ji must be installed in all Guru Ravi Dass ji Gurdwaras/Mandirs. Shri Guru Ravi Dass ji, Amritbani, installed in all over the worlds above 50 thousands in different language, like English, Marathi, Punjabi, Kanad,Gujrati, Hindi etc. One day, all Shri Guru Ravi Dass ji, Gurdwaras/Mandirs must be installled the Shri Guru Ravi Dass ji, Amritbani. Who are opposing the installation of Amritbani like you, never be seen here and there in the community.
June 8, 2012 at 9:46 pm
moi aussi très surpris de lire vos commentaires vous dite ke amritbani noo mandira vich parkash karna chahida he asha hun pustaka da ve parkash hon lag pe aa sad ke tere jehe bvekoof de tu ve ke kare jad tano ITEHAS DA HI NAHI PATA TA galti ta hoi jandi a tere vargeaa ton pahla ITEHAS DA PATA KAR fer gal kara ge tuhanoo loka noo pata ve hai ke sade darame da GRANTH RAVIDASS DEEP HAI NA KE AMRITBANI JO KE BABA HIRA DASS JI NE LIKHE HAI nahi pata ta pata kar dasan valle bohat han par( balla balle ta shot) eh ta chohande hi nahi ke koi hor uthe khara hove ehna to ellava
March 6, 2013 at 5:59 am
bas sahi hai sab kuch
March 7, 2013 at 3:01 am
if you been thinking like that so first go to ballan and ask them who is your guru than after comment on it. i am going to ask u something that if you do whole day hard work and evening time i come on your shop and steal your money so how you feel that same like that happened with us. in ancient time nobody know abt the satguru ravidass than bani baba mahant heera dass ji maharaj arrive at punjab and after a hard worship they make a ravidass deep and serve in chamar religion and now the leaders of ballan took it 3 years before and said to this innocent world that they make this book for our religion eventhought we respect also granth sahib more than our ravidass deep but this ravidass deep having for our religion so we have to give them first response now. and for your kind info go to ballan and tell them the truth after you have a right to say anything abt ravidass deep or amritbani. Thanks
March 7, 2013 at 4:08 am
i am surprised to read your views on so called amritbani what is amritbani a book written by one dera balan sadh. who are you tell us put this book in our guru ghar’s we made our guru ghar’s on the name off shri guru ravi dass ji. we belong to ravidassia not to dera balan our granth is shri guru granth sahib keep your amrit bani to your self, come and tell us to put this book in our guru ghar we will teach you a lesson like we already done to so many off your ignorant folwers.
January 4, 2014 at 10:04 pm
Who the fuck is ballan wala fake saint. The truth is chamar is only just a caste given to the untouchable people. Chamar community don’t have history and literatures. Chamar is nothing but a burden in Indian economy. I am telling you the truth that chamar are uncivilized, unmannered and unhygienic people.
January 4, 2017 at 6:29 pm
Pathetic mentally sick person. You need to be incarcerated back into mental asylum. Your evil side will never give you peace. You are hurting nobody except yourself. it will eat you up from inside as Sant Kabir said like cancer. Kabir and Guru Granth Sahib has said quite lot about people like you.
June 10, 2017 at 3:22 am
Bhagat Ravidas Ji never called himself a HINDU, he was a SIKH Bhagat.
You people believ in caste not his teachings. Just because he is a Chamar you say his your father, what if he wasn’t a Chamar would you pay as much importance to him like you do ! I don’t think you would.
Bhagat Ravidas Ji was free from caste like all the 15 Bhagats & 10 Gurus.
Bhagat Ravidas Ji did not promote caste like you all do. He was casteless. You all people that promote Dera ballan, Amritbani just promote everything that Bhagat Ravidas Ji did not, so you all are not his followers
September 24, 2017 at 2:11 am
Troll
April 1, 2020 at 8:52 am
yeah my freind i m also with you. eventhough i m also belongs to chamar religion but i am having a favor on you because its really a insult of guru granth sahib. we respected all. first we are a ravidassiya sikhs. and for your information its a real name of amritbani is guru ravidass deep not a amritbani.
March 15, 2013 at 6:23 am
i agree with you brother
January 4, 2014 at 9:43 pm
All other ancestors have followed ggsj and know u got a sant who use to be with ggsj leave it who the hell is he to tell us what to do to follow or to force something on to some one is a very sinful these sant of they were so religous and right wouldn’t have so much police and bodyguards were they go.I seen photos of murti in ravidas gurdwara in kanshi how would ravidas ji react if he saw that he was against idol worship.he had to as seen something in guru Nanak dev ji for him to put bani in ggsj if it wasn’t for him were would we be there puppets have forgotten there pass.
July 26, 2016 at 2:22 am
These people don’t understand that Bhagat Ravidas Ji was a SIKH. We only follow GGSJ. These supporters of Dera Ballan and Amritbani are supported by RSS. They are all confused, they either think their Hindu or ravidassia lol.
All the Sikh Bhagats and Sikh Gurus finishes caste but people who support Dera Ballan are supporting caste for votes. They are a disgrace.. they should all be proud to be Sikh, the identity they were given …
September 24, 2017 at 2:15 am
Sanjay there was a lot talk. It has happened in some gurdwaras but not all as there is a lot of resistence. Rest assured vast majority of the Ravidass temples in the UK have not had forceable installaltion of Amrit bani and do not accepted the politics of Dera Ballan -its spiritual body. Not everybody in the Ravidassia community is follower of Dera Ballan in the Punjab or in the UK, Dera Ballan were behind it all and its stooges in the UK. Undoubtedly there has been some violent resistence. They have been trying to take over the management committees of these gurdwaras through the electoral process and thus install the the Amritbani but have failed miserably. Whilst I welcome Amrit Bani as a piece of literature its authencity needs evidential verification. However Satgur Ravidassji never tried to setup a seperate religion for the chamar community but in his bani over and over again he emphasised like all other Satgurus from the Bhakti Movement his dislike of brahminical hindu system of social structure ie the caste system, the disabilities imposed, the suffering and the the treatment of the lower castes. He did not just campaign for the the chamars but the whole of the low castes as did Kabir,Nam Dev, Sain, etc who were all low castes saints.They belonged to not to just its respective community but to all the oppressed shudra community. Not many people understand Guru Ravidass’s Mission neither does Dera Balllan. The Ballan dera and who ever support them have a parochial political agenda of seperating the the Chamars from the mainstream sikh fold probably aided and abetted by the RSS, whose institute at Hardwar has 900 ph.d philosheres who job it it is to maintain and perpetuate the caste system and thus the hemegomy of the the brahmins in India, who are the real rulers of India today. The membership is strictly restricted to the brahmin caste. They have infiltrated sikhism and is being destroyed from within. The breakaway will do us no good. Instead of being part of a major world religion the Dera Ballan has made us part of nothing. They are neither Hindus nor SIkhs. My preference is that all chamars should be part of sikhism but preferably baptised sikhs with five K’s. Can you imagine every chamars in India that is 60 millions with the unifirm of Khalsa sikh and a large sword on his hand for the protection of his self respect and dignity. Who would dare to be disrespect him. Dr Ambedkar was learned and intellectual person and initially wanted our community to be pert of sikhs along with all other dalits. If the sikhs leadership had accepted his proposal in the 1930’s today there would have been about 300 million sikhs in whole of India.The oppression that happens to the dalits today would not happen. The dalits would have had a weapon and the spirit of a worrior in him and who would dare to touch him. Our confidence would be the confidence of lions not sheeps. We should be working and leading All the low (lallo) castes in organising themselves to take over Amritsar temple from the Jatts, (the bhago), who are only interrested in the booty of Amritsar Temple which is why they do not let anybody else get on to the Amritsar Gurdwara committee. They have stunted the growth of sikhims by rejecting Dr Ambedkars proposals. The Jatts are not in interested in the mission of Guru Nanak and Guru Govind only its booty. They only joined sikhism as mercenaries and not as missionaries. If only you knew what I know it will make you cry.
May 15, 2012 at 4:01 pm
i totally agree. We should be proud sikhs and we need to understand the politics of dera ballan and similar organisations. They are working with RSS to destroy sikhi. Why can’t our community wake up and realise this. What our gurus did for us is all forgotten by them.
June 5, 2016 at 8:12 am
Chamar are Sikh. Bhagats/Gurus don’t belong to their respective community cus of their caste. Our gurus gave us GGSJ. We are a community without caste. Our religion is Sikhi.
If Bhagat Ravidas Ji was not a Chamar would Dera ballan followers him. No they wouldn’t. They don’t even understand his teaching but promote his caste to the illiterates and to manipulate them.
Many Sikhs from so called Chamar caste have come to the world after Bhagat Ravidas Ji. They have never claimed copyrights of Bhagat Ravidas Ji or followed him cus of his caste. They followed the GGSJ only. Sikhs are a casteless community. We should encourage everyone to adopt SINGH/KAUR. This is what Bhagat Ravidas Ji would wanted.
September 24, 2017 at 2:22 am
Look it is pretty simple. If you accepts the Sikh Holy Book – GGSJ – by definition you are a Sikh since you do your marriage ceremonies through the GGSJ, death ceremonies by the GGSJ and even picking a name for a child by the GGSJ. We, as Ravidassia sikhs do lot of other ceremonies such a sukhmani paaths etcs. Why some chamars, even after all these indicators, still call themselves as hindus is beyond me. Either they are ignorant or just plain stupid. By looking at what holy book you follow, it should be a clear indicator of what your religion is. Thus the Holy Bible – chritistianity, the Koran -islam, the Torah – judiaism etc etc . Simple. It should be clear to the Punjabi’s. But those who live outside the Punjab in india, without the tradition of the GGSJ in their families will see them selves as hindus. Thus the new followers of the amritbani outside the Punjab and who now follow Ravidass as their Guru will see themselves as hindus.
Look the other issue is that after they created the new religion, the Dera Ballan have been enticing and encouraging others to join them and even speak as if they speak for the whole of the chamar community, which they don’t. Those who follow this new ‘religion’ have been active in the community and stiring up trouble.
There is no greater or better Amritbani than the GGSJ which has the shloks of all the satgurus. Amritbani devised by the Dera Ballan is a hotch potch of plaigerised work of other writers. Why should I submit and bow to a false holy book? Nobody has been able to give me sources of the ‘shloks’ other than those taken from theGGSJ. I would welcome contact from anybody who can give that information.
September 28, 2017 at 9:09 am
100% right… be proud of being sikhs.
Stop following pakhandi baba and Dera.
Dera Ballan is not a religious sect but is bought out by RSS.
September 29, 2017 at 12:22 am
Jai guru ravidas ji maharaj ki jai
July 4, 2012 at 1:21 am
August 4, 2012 at 7:43 pm
If it wasn’t for Guru Gobind Singh ji who gave p his whole daily for the panth you would have all been Muslims marrying your sisters, accept the reality that Sikhism was made for you, Ravidas ji was against organised religion and idol worship yet you still practice this. don’t forget it was the Singh Sabha movement which Christianised the Sikh religion…..wear the blue of Guru Gobind Singh ji and drnk the ambrosial nectar!!!!!
August 22, 2012 at 9:52 pm
There is no caste in Sikhism, I am an Amritdhari but also a “Chamar” if all my people took Amrit there wouldn’t be a problem….the sad reality is our ancestors had bad habits like smoking and were unclean therefore banished themselves from mainstream Sikhi. I can honestly say there is nothing more beautiful than Sikhi in its purest form. If all chamars took Amrit we would be equals. The state us “chamars” are in puts us on par with Bihari Baiyeh. Miss Pooja makes a song and we all get excited. The sad reality is the Brahmins are the real winners here as they wish to divide Sikhs….but of course pindu lok…pindu mentality. I feel so sad when I go to Ravidas Gurdwaras and there are no young Amritdharis like myself. But when I do my Nitnem All the pains go away. I urge all Chamars to take Amrit, it is the only way we will wholly be accepted not just by Jatts, but by society as a whole. I get more respect as a Khalsa then I would ever as a follower of Dera Ballan who are using pindu Chamars as pawns in their game. WAKE UP PUNJABIYO
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI FATEH!!!!!!!
September 13, 2012 at 8:44 pm
first you say I am Amritdhari Chamar, but you asked that I go to Ravidas Gurdwaras, . How can you said our Jagat Guru Ravidass Ji Gurdwaras, Ravidas Gurdwara, your intension show you are not real chamaar, secondely you asked pindu chamar, we pindu chamar, respect our guru ji with name of Jagat Guru Ravi Das ji, but like you as described himself khalsa, you are not son of Guru Ravi dass ji, you are only khalsa not khals man
February 22, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Mr. Anonymous , Are u a real CHAMAR??? I think u r not a real CHAMAR becoz CHAMAR can do anything but he can’t his community…. Its very bad to hear from u- u become a SIKH??? Are you seen any SIKH became A CHAMAR??? Or can gave any example…? I am also respect all religions but can’t to do dare change my CASTE…चाम माँस अरु रक्त का, तन का बना आकार, आँख पसारे देख, लो सारा जगत चमार…. सँत शिरोमणीँ गुरु रविदास महाराज की जय…
December 14, 2013 at 1:15 am
Caste was introduced to India by the Mogal Empire and latter implemented by Brahim Hindues. Guru Nanak and Guru Ravidass’s teaching don’t support caste. If you are a true Sikh or follower of Guru Ravidass Ji you will learn from both their teachings they were against caste. Caste is strictly for suppressors and if you acknowledge caste you are supporting their narrow minded views.
December 15, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Incorrect. Caste system was created and upheld by the Brahmins thousands of years before Moghal rule as an instrument of political power. It origin lies in the Varna system, the predecessor of the caste system. The Moghals, who were muslims rulers, simply allowed it to continue in India even though islam was an egalitarian religion. Brahmins gave their girls away in marriages to the Moghals in order to enter their homes and became in laws. The brahmins were in this way were able to become close to them and became their advisors and influenced the Moghals rule. The Brahmins connived with the Moghals to retain the caste system in return for full support for Moghal Rule in India. In this way the brahmins were able to maintain the caste system. When their relationship broke down, under Aurangzeb, due to forced conversions of Brahmins to Islam they had no other ally to turn to. In the dying days of the Moghal Rule in India, the British entered India. They also were quite happy to keep the caste system because it suited them. They studied how the brahmins ruled Indian via the caste system, which is really a ‘divide and rule’ instrument and used it to perpetuate British rule in India. After the British left India, the Brahmins now rule India and have no plans to dismantle the caste system as they are the beneficiaries of the caste system along with their allies the banias and thakurs. The victims of the caste system, ie the shudras and the untouchables, continue to be ruled by them.
March 19, 2015 at 12:22 pm
ARE you stupid. There’s nothing to Be proud of caste. Bhagat Ravidas Ji was a Sikh. He removed his caste because he was not a Hindu.
Bhagat Ravidas Ji is not your father, he belongs to eveyone. He was against caste, idol worship and Hindu rituals and Hindu religion. You people are racist that’s why you promote caste
September 24, 2017 at 2:28 am
Sunny Kumar your a illiterate piece of crap. What do you mean a REAL CHAMAR. You idiot. All Sikh Bhagats/Gurus that’s including Bhagat Ravidas Ji was against caste..
Are you a shoe maker by trade, grow up and stop hating. Chamar including other low castes were not allowed to follow Hinduism or Islam ( the 2 religions that existed at the time ) if it wasn’t of the Gurus you would still be slaves without identity. Forget CASTE and follow GGSJ teachings.
Your an evil backward illiterate human being that does not live in 2017 but in 1300’s.. grow up
September 29, 2017 at 12:35 am
We are natural born sikhs. RSS and Dera ballan are taking advantage of community to finish sikhi. This will never happen.
These people have forgot about the contributions chamars have done for sikhism. the have planted Ravidassia stooges in gurdwaras to change its look appearance into their temple.
Birmingham gurdwara has a buddhist and christian as president and secretary. whats going on here.
I feel sorry for you veer ji as a baptised sikh you have to see all this, its pindu uneducated hero chamar that follow dera ballan and run our gurdwaras. Young generation needs to take all over UK and start following sikhism and khalsa rehab maryada, we are natural born sikhs, we should be proud.
June 5, 2016 at 8:19 am
I have been watching Kanshi TV and have to say its a political tool used by suchkand ballan as is evident. Do you notice most of the people involved are in fact disciples of this dera and there views. Most of the presenters are rejects from this own respective communities such as H. Shonki. This man will go any which way the wind blows. At last count suchkand ballan is he’s 5th or 6th commitment to a differnet dera. Kanshi TV constantly say the Ravidasia community have united and need to unite further but in actual fact they have divided the community. Not once have I seen a member of the main Ravidasia gurdwara appear on it (Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Southwall etc) only past members who are now rejects and have decided to form their own break away mission for attention. True Ravidasia people need to wake up to the sick antics of this dera. IT IS A CULT. I have heard theres no cameras allowed in the dera becuase of what goes on there.
And why do suchkand ballan demand that the amritbani replace the GGSJ. So they can continue where they have failed with the GGSJ and thats making MONEY. So that Sikhs will not oppose the bowing of a head before another entity. Sikhs did not allow this but our Ravidasias don’t mind. It was wrong what happened to Ramanand but had he just listened to the repeated warning not just from Sikhs but also Ravidasia gurdwaras and put the money incentive to one side he may be still alive. Lets be fair this is the real reason why there is a big push for the amritbani (mostly by suchkand ballan disciples).
In the mean time there main income from the international tours minus ramanand has been suffered a significant setback as he was a very good vocally. They dera has used other means to make the money the latest being the leaves with almight writing on them which was transfered to the dera to make more money through publicity and was clearly manufactured.
Guru Ravidass had TWO rules for his true followers:
1) Bowing your head to another entity not allowed and
2) No consumption of animals or alcohol.
OK most chamars are drinkers but at least follow the main rule.
SuchKand Ballan dera has a bigger following in Punjab as that is where it is based and most dalits/chamars are poor and feel they need spiritual guidance, Because most are poor the dera target foriegn chamars especially NRIs. Let me assure you in Punjab there are roughly 15000 dera each having their own supreme head/sant. Let me assure you there are many gurus in sikhism and gods in hinduism but there really is oly one god in India and that is MONEY.
Dera disciples will argue that their dera has made schools and hospitals amongst other things but these are just other avenues to making more money as no education or medical treatment is free in Punjab.
Stop following this CULT (read the definitions of a cult and you will see this dera matches) and wake up.
A true Ravidasia
October 25, 2012 at 4:32 am
I have been to this dera and you are right there is a policy where filming or picture taking is not allowed. Everyone who went there did bow their head to Naranjan Dass and gave donations. I think it has become like a fortress with the security installed by the indian government.
This dera is trying become like a rival to the RS dera and the Golden Temple. But unlike the gGolden temple there is idol worship happening which should not be allowed. But you can’t control what people want to believe else it become almost communist in nature. People can believe and worship a tree or a stone what ever makes them happy.
If they want to give money away to a ordinary man than be it. I always had a impression of a devine entity as giving peace and prosperity to their followers not the other way round.
And also the sacred leaves were also on display and are clearly fake. Some of my elder relatives follow this dera but I don’t and almost everyone I know in my age group don’t so if this is where the ravidasia future lies they will lose alot of following. Only the NRIs will be interested in this scam.
Anonymous Ravidasia
November 6, 2012 at 6:26 am
Why is SachKand dera going anti-sikh when they themselves wear turbans and have beards – just to portray the image of a holy man?
October 29, 2012 at 5:10 am
They are only after money, they have no principles or respect for gurus. Dera sachkand ballan is bought out by hindu fascist racist group the RSS.
June 5, 2016 at 8:21 am
This dera has hijacked the Guru Ravidass mission for the purpose of money. I am a devote sikh and I feel the Ravidasia mission will fail in the coming years becuase todays Ravidasia youth are not interested in going to gurdwaras let alone pakandi holy men. If all Ravidasia gurdwara install the amritbani it will be the beginning of the end as most of these dera followers are at least 60 yrs old which means without a next generation this mission will be continued by NRIs and not British based Ravidasias.
HOW CAN THESE DERA SANTS BE COMPARED TO GURU RAVIDASS JI?
Guru Ravidass introduced over 40 prayers to the Sikh holy book and his mission was about spreading peace and love and not about money and wealth.
Stop treating these people as divine as they are no different than the gianni in your local gurdwara doing keriten.
November 5, 2012 at 5:10 am
http://www.worldsikhnews.com/10%20February%202010/Ravidassia%20Community%20Rejects%20Idea%20of%20New%20Religion.htm
November 10, 2012 at 5:30 am
Suach Kand Ballan has divided the Ravidasia community in the UK not united it!!!!!!
Sant Pakandi Dass
December 3, 2012 at 6:56 am
Sant Pakandi Dass Ji you said totally wrongly, you are not a sant, you are only Pakhandi Sant who are playing with the otherhand,
February 22, 2013 at 8:47 pm
I don’t understand what you mean by the otherhand? but it is evident the Ravidassia community are divided just look at the facts. There are still Ravidassias who follow the GGSJ. In Birmingham there are now two Gurdwaras for the community – one Sabha (GGSJ) and one for the Ballan dera followers. This coming Gurpor there will be two separate televised broadcasts – one by Kanshi TV (Ballan dera) and the other on Sangat TV. I think you need to open your eyes my dear friend? The punjabi community should be working together not segregating our selves further as Ballan dera insist. And also Ravidassi is not a new religion as Ballan suggested a couple of years ago it started in 1971 with the introduction the of Harr symbol and the greeting of ‘Jai Guru Dev’.
Amritbani is a tool to make money by Ballan dera to carry on where they failed with the GGSJ! The Amritbani should be respected just like the GGSJ, Quran, Gita and Bible.
February 23, 2013 at 9:37 am
yeah
March 15, 2013 at 6:46 am
I like whole infarmation about Sant shiromaniguru Ravidas maharas our god .we must consider god guru Ravidas maharas because amratbani is depend on human life always
January 16, 2013 at 6:24 am
I am not sure what you are saying here! Guru Ravidass was a Guru/Sant/bhagat Guru Ravidass worshiped True God.He taught us how to worship God and be connected with God.He sings his shabads/bani in praise of God. Please don’t worship Guru Ravidass or view him as god. Yes respect him show your reverence and yes he is our hero but we don’t do hero worship. Hindu’s do hero worship of Ram Chander, for example, and even treat him as a god. Am sure Satgur Ravidass would not like being worshipped or approve of being treated or called a god . If you do then you are just turning him into and worshipping as if he was another hindu deity. He rejected hinduism and its practices. It is no wonder lot of hindus just worship images, often of humans or demons, that does not connect them to God and thus God never hears their prayers. Satgur Ravidass did his Arti to God and his followers are doing the Arti to Ravidass’s images.What a travesty!!!!!! Learn to direct your prayer to true God not to Satgur Ravidassji.Please try to understand Ravidassism.
January 18, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Bhagat Ravidas Ji is in GGSJ, you don’t need another book. Dera ballan has brainwashed all you to follow him. They don’t respect Bhagat Ravidas Ji and his teaching.
Bhagat Ravidas Ji was against caste, idol worshiping and Hindu religion. You all follow him Bhagat Ravidas Ji because he belongs to your caste not his teaching. If Bhagat Ravidas Ji was here, he would be disgraced to see this community going backwards and still slaves of Hindus.
Dera ballan is bought out by RSS, they want you to break away from Sikhi. If Bhagat Ravidas Ji wasn’t a Chamar you guys wouldn’t even respect his teachings. You all influenced by caste.
Bhagat Ravidas Ji gave his teachings to Guru Nanak Dev Ji to make you into Sikhs. Be proud ..
September 24, 2017 at 2:37 am
Idiot Bhagat Ravidas Ji is not a god. Don’t you piece of shit read his teachings.
September 29, 2017 at 12:41 am
in punjab and most parts of india the administration is corrupt, the politicians are corrupt, the police are corrupt, hospitals and clinics are corrupt, people in general are corrupt so
WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE SUCHKAND BALLAN AND THESE OTHER DERAS ARE AN EXCEPTION??????????????
Punjab is going to get alot worse before it gets any better as there is still a very big social problem there along with the rise in drugs (almost 70% of young men are addicts), alcoholism (government gets 10% of its tax from booze alone) , migration of punjabies to the promised land and last but not least rape.
January 23, 2013 at 2:54 am
jay guru dave sarri sangat noo amrit bani ek book he us noo tusi granth nahi kahe sakde je kar may galat keh reha han ta tusi sabat karo mare kol proof ha ke oh ik book ha tohade kol ve hae ke oh ik book ha keoke us oper likhea ha ke amritbani ik dahrmik pustak us noo garanth kahe ke tusi guru garanth saheb di beadbi kar rahe hoo ki tuhano is tara ik book no granth kahna chahida he mera kehal he ke nahi bell kull nahi et tusi ki kahna chohande ho ??????????????????
March 6, 2013 at 5:17 am
GURU RAVIDASS JI TEACHED US NOT TO IDOLISE OR WORSHIP MAN ONLY GOD AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENS, YOU GET A GUY WHO DECIDES HES THE DIVINE ONE SO GETS SOME FOLLOWERS CHANTS ALL SORTS AND DECIDES TO CREATE A NEW RELIGION AND DEMANDS ALL CHAMARS TO CHANGE FROM BEING APART OF THE SIKHISM RELIGION ON THE BASES THAT HE IS THE DIVINE ONE!
WAKE UP PEOPLE AND MAKE A STAND!
OUR GURU RAVIDASS JI MUST BE FULL OF ANGER AT PRESENT AS ALL THOSE WHO WISH THIS AND WANT THIS DISOBEYED AND WENT AGAINST EVRYTHING HE TAUGHT.
WE AS RAVIDASSI SIKHS MUST STOP THIS NOW, MANY TEMPLES HAVE HAD THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB REPLACED WITH THE AMRITBANI BY FORCE! THESE PEOPLE FORCE THERE WAYS INTO THE COMMITEE TAKE OVER AND GAIN VOTES BY THERE PEOPLE FROM OTHER TOWNS.
I AGREE WITH THE ABOVE COMMENT THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS A CULT!
OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN DIVIDED BY THESE PEOPLE.
”THE SHEEP ARE FOLLOWING THERE HEAD SHEEP BUT THE TRUE RAVIDASSI THE LIONS WILL DEFEAT THE OPOSITION WITH THEIR LION BROTHERS SIDE BY SIDE”
AT THE CORE THE EVIL IS TRYING TO DEFEAT SIKHISAM AND BREAK IT AS THEY ALWAYS WANTED. I CALL UPON ALL SIKHS TO BE TRUE AND FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF THE GURUS WHO TEACHED US NOT DISCRIMANTAE AGAINST OTHER CASTES AND STAND SIDE BY SIDE AS EQUALS.
”TRUE SIKHIS WITH TRUE HEARTS WILL NOT BE DEFEATED”
March 15, 2013 at 10:45 am
Its reassuriung to say the least that others also have the same view. I mean the whole purpose of these forums is to express the views of the Ravidasia community and about the Ravidasia community.
I’m afraid we live in worrying times. There is a huge crossroads coming in the near future when many in the Ravidasia community will have to decide where they stand. Sachkand ballan are pushing for a complete rebellion against the Sikh faith (GGSJ) which may lead to tensions not just in our own community but with the Sikh community especially if they manage to replace of the GGSJs with the Amritbani which is being strongly opposed.
This may be the case in the forcoming General Election at Sabha Birmingham. If tensions are raised with the Sikh community most Ravidasia will become involved as we all know someone or are related to someone who is a desciple of Suchkhand Ballan and this is what Ballan want – for us to unite with Ballan through any means possible.
In the recent Census many Ravidasias declared their faith but the results have never been made public until now. The approximate count of Ravidasia in England and Wales was 11000. You are probably thinking this is a very small number especially when there are more who follow Rasterferism, Janism, Witchcraft and even Jedi. Many who were once followers of Ravidass now follow someone else. In other words the Ravidasia religion has become a feeder religilion to other faiths especially deras.
Look at the five main deras in Punjab:
Rada Soami Bias dera
Sachkand Ballan dera
Narankari Dera
SachaSuada Dera
Lighta Da Baba dera
and even Christianity Churchs
Most of these followers come from the Ravidasia faith. In the Census over 400,000 were declared as Sikh. As you can see Deras are slowly destroying the Ravidasia faith. The big question is when Guru Ravidass Ji objected to idol worship why have so many of our people taken that path?
And if you ask any of these followers who they would choose between Guru Ravidass and their dera head they would choose their dera head with open arms.
The punjab government have become aware of the strength of these deras and decided not to oppose them instead giving them the freedom in return for votes. But where did these dera start and become so powerfull. The answer to that is in our own Guru Sabas in Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Southall etc. In the 70s, 80s and 90s when these deras were small there main funds came from the Sabhas who allowed them in to take charity donations and giving then the attention when they did their international tours. My message to them is don’t bite the hand that feeds you because it was the Guru Ravidass Ji Sabhas (with the GGSJ) that made you in the first place and you must never forget this.
Daan Veer
March 16, 2013 at 5:36 am
True teaching of Guru Ravidass, Nanak and Kabir
1. Never covet anything, either of body or wealth: take not of another. God is the giver of all things, as your trust is in Him so shall you receive.
2. When asked what you are, declare thyself a Sadh, speak not of caste, nor engage in controversy, hold your faith, put not your hope in men.
3. Never eat nor drink intoxicating substances, nor chew pan, nor smell perfume, nor smoke tobacoo, nor chew nor smell opium, hold not up your hands, bow not your head in the presence of idols or of men.
How many of these do do actually follow?
April 14, 2013 at 4:07 am
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May 29, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Sadi jat a chammar , sanu sarea nal payar.
January 15, 2014 at 8:04 am
OK Fine and Right
July 31, 2015 at 8:30 am
No , sadi komm/community is chamar not sadi jaat is chamar. Because when you say jaat you believe in or endorse the caste system. As chamars we should say that there are lots of communities out there but they are all equal. There is no high or low. Usage of the the word caste or jaat brings up caste consciousness. Thus like Guru Ravidass we reject the hindu caste system of high and low. We have our community and we are proud. We have love for all and hatred for none. This concept I am propounding is not new it was also the basic tenent of Sikhism. The words jaat or caste should no longer be in our vocabulary. We will not be successful in ridding caste system or it ideology if we continue to use the terminology of that wretched order. Never use the words jaat or caste please!!!!!!.If everyone follows this idea we will see big change we as Ravidassias can lead the way.
August 3, 2015 at 12:38 am
shari guru ravidas ji mahraj da putt
October 19, 2014 at 9:41 am
sunny thapa430@gmil.com
February 18, 2016 at 8:34 am
Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
May 23, 2016 at 12:47 am
Amritbani is man made book and should never be allowed in gurdwaras in uk and worldwide. Majority community do not follow dera ballan and other pakhandi baba. there is only one pure Guru Granth Sahib Ji, how can these ravidassia stooges think of replacing with amrit bani.
Bhagat Ravidas ji is within Guru Granth Sahib Ji and he did not write more than 40 shabds. How can you follow a saint because he belongs to your caste/community. Our 10 Gurus eliminated caste discrimination. Its Dera Ballan who are promoting caste hate and discrimination. Bhagat Ravidas Ji was against every hindu ritual, hindu ceremony and idol worshiping, these new ravidassis do exactly the opposite. bhagat ravidas did not call himself a hindu or ravidassia, he was part of sikhism.
Ravidassia community do not hold copyrights for Bhagat Ravidas ji and any other saint in Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
In Birmingham Ravidas Gurdwaras these Ravidassi people have planted avtar singh heer a buddhist as a president and a Rejinder Rattu a christian as a general secretary, they both have no knowledge of sikhs and guru granth sahib ji, so why are they in gurdwaras committee. These two people hate and disrespect Guru Granth Sahib Ji and are breaking up the community. Why hasn’t all of community get together and throw these people out. The jaikara and nishan sahib represents ravidassia dharam and not guru granth sahib ji, sikhism. These are symbols of ravidasssia religion which we don’t follow or accept.
These dear ballan followers and ravidassia amritbani followers need to make their own temples and leave our gurdwaras alone.
These committees are simply brainwashing young generation and filling their minds with hatred.You need to look at your contribution to sikhism, we should be proud sikhs. These ravidasia people use our sikh martyrs and shaheeds to promote their new religion but do not follow their concept, ideology and their sikh religion. These ravidassias are simply hypocrites.
Than Guru Granth Sahib Ji
WJKK WJKF
June 5, 2016 at 8:03 am
I agree, amritbani should NOT and NEVER be allowed in gurdwaras, the idea of replacing our Guru Granth Sahib is NOT an option. We will not tolerate any disrespect to Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sikhi. All bhagats are the foundation of Sikhi. I can’t believe continuous beadbi of Gurus and Gurdwaras is done by Ravidassis, doesn’t their new religion teach them anything. We will NOT tolerate anymore from ravidassis. It’s sad that the youth are brainwashed, it’s all the fault of their parents who are brainwashed first.
They want to follow amritbani then they should open their own dera and move away from community.
People who follow Ravidassia Dharam are brainwashed and follow pakhandi baba who are funded by RSS.
We should have NOTHING to do with these people who have deserted Guru Granth Sahib Ji for caste pride and ego, theses people have NO principles and are supported by Buddhists who dislike anyone who follows Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Bhagat Ravidas Ji was against all HINDU rituals, HINDU ceremonies and any form of idol worshipping, I don’t understand why they also call themself HINDU Punjabi when in reality they are NATURAL BORN SIKHS.
How can these ravidassis claim to followers of Bhagat Ravidas Ji when they have no respect for his bani or even try to understand it. Ravidassis have NO COPYRIGHTS over Bhagat Ravidas Ji.
WJKK WJKF
July 26, 2016 at 7:19 am
I agree how can you call yourself Hindu when you and Bhagat Ravidas ji were never accepted under Hindu law as Hindus. Bhagat Ravidas contributed to Sikh religion NOT Hindu religion. Ballan Dera are responsible for making you think the way you do, they are on mission to destroy Sikhism … don’t be fools. Your a idiot and illiterate for calling yourself HINDU
January 5, 2017 at 2:54 am
I agree how can you call yourself Hindu when you and Bhagat Ravidas ji were never accepted under Hindu law as Hindus. Bhagat Ravidas contributed to Sikh religion NOT Hindu religion. Ballan Dera are responsible for making you think the way you do, they are on mission to destroy Sikhism … don’t be fools. Your a idiot and illiterate for calling yourself HINDU
January 5, 2017 at 3:07 am
Baba Ravidassji rejected Brahminical Hinduism and all its tenets including the caste system, which is the super-structure upon which the whole Hindu society rests. By rejecting the caste system and advocating casteless society he became a renegade. He met like-minded saints in his time including Baba Sain Dev, Baba Kabir, Baba Saadna and of course Baba Nanak. They came to be known as the Bakhta Movement. Earlier to them there was Baba Nam Dev also. They all rejected Hinduism.
Now when Baba Ravidass ji was preaching his teachings and revelations, there was no Sikhism at that time, because Baba Nanak was about 18 when he met Baba Ravidass and the other above- named Baba’s. They met him and he fed them food and clothed them and spent some time with them and he was rewarded with the ‘Sacha Sauda’, which is spiritual enlightement. This is the beginning of Sikhism. Guru Nanak never looked back and wanted to proclaim this Truth to the world. It put him at odds with his father, who beat him and tried to dissuade him from his mission, even got him married early so that he could focus him on married life. Nothing could dissuade him.. Baba nanak had joined the movement and jointly held discourses on hinduism with other scholars and firmly believed that Hinduism was based on a lie and had totally been corrupted by the Brahmins and that it was a Pagan religion and not based on the worship of true One God. They wanted to proclaim this ‘Truth’ to the world as did the other Satgurus evidenced by their shaloks/writings in the Holy Guru Granth Sahib. Their religious belief was the same. It was for this reason that Baba Ravidass’s shaloks are included in the Guru Granth Sahib. Gurur nanak met Guru Ravidass few times and had asked for his shaloks. They all worked together to set up a new noble religion based on truth.
The Bhakta Movement was the early stage of Sikhism, which was the developmental stage 1. Guru Nanak’s enterance was stage 2. Guru Govind’s enterance was stage 3. And finally the bestowing of Guruship upon the Adi- Granth was the final stage.
The practical question for the Ravidassia community is this: are you a hindu or are you a sikh?
The answer depends on weather you have an ‘Amritbani in your temple or Guru Granth Sahib.
1. If you have Amritbani, then supposedlt it only contains the shaloks of Guru Ravidass. However, it is agued that it was plagiarised from another source. Not all the shaloks are his . The followers of this ‘holy book’ are followers of Dera Sach Khand at Ballan, Punjab. If they conduct births , marriages and death ceremonies according to that book and do not accept the other Guru’s or the Guru Granth Sahib, then I would classify them as hindus, even though they prefer to call themselves as ‘ravidassias’. The Ballan Dera have taken them back into hinduism, even though hindus do not accept or treat them with digity. Dr Ambedkar spent all his life trying to get them out of hinduism, but the illiterates at Ballan and the blind followers of Ballan have retrograded. People from other Indian states, other than Punjab, are more likely to be hindus in the first place and will call themselves as hindus without question.
2. If you have Shri Guru Granth Sahib in your temple, then your submission and acceptance as your holy book by which you conducts your births, marriage and death ceremonies or celebrate religious events or pay your homage on special days, then you are a Sikh or Ravidassia Sikh. You are not a hindu. I know some who still call themselves as hindus because they are ignorant. I have been able to convince some to call themselves as Sikhs after educating them. They often have parents who are not sure themselves. If their parents were supporters of the Congress Party in India they are more likely to call themselves as hindus.
It is a travesty that the Dera Ballan wale call themselves ‘Ravidassias’, call it what you will, they will be seen by others as hindus, and yet Guru Ravidass rejected hinduism as did Dr Ambedkar. They have taken the wrong direction. Guru Ravidass worked with Guru Nanak and others and yet the Dera Ballan have committed an evil sin by separating him from the the holy book for political reasons. There is no religious reason why the split should take place because all the Satgurus saw the same light preached the same light. they should stop playing politics with the community.
January 10, 2017 at 10:27 am
Hindus don’t accept you apart of Hinduism or Hindu identity, the only time they will is for politics gain. Dera Ballan followers are brainwashed to move away from Sikhi and take up a totally new identity “RAVIDASSIA”… this is ridiculous and stupid. They have disrespect bani of Bhagat Ravidas Ji and Guru Granth Sahib ji.
Whoever calls themselves RAVIDASSIA by religion then they should not have any influence over our gurdwara and not allowed in committees.
We should be proud Sikhs.
Amritbani is a fake book designed by man. Bhagat Ravidas Ji taught unity, RAVIDASSIA teaches divide…
RAVIDASSIA are bought out by RSS and there Dera ballan are responsible for this. People need to wake up and see what is happening.
WJKK WJKF
January 11, 2017 at 2:57 am
We should be proud to be Sikhs.
It’s a matter of education and soon the whole community will realise they are Sikhs…
January 11, 2017 at 3:22 am
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January 31, 2018 at 8:18 am
Increase Guru Ravidass awareness all over India. Unite and agitate and capture political power. Unite the 70 million chamars in India under one religion . Political revolutions are often preceeded by religion revolution.
February 1, 2018 at 3:25 pm
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October 28, 2021 at 5:22 pm
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October 8, 2022 at 9:02 pm